The inspiration arrived in a haze at a Paul McCartney concert a few years ago in San Francisco.
"People in front of me started lighting up and then other people started lighting up," says Matthew Springer, a biologist and professor in the division of cardiology at the University of California, San Francisco. "And for a few naive split seconds I was thinking to myself, 'Hey, they can't smoke in AT&T Park! I'm sure that's not allowed.' And then I realized that it was all marijuana."
Recreational pot was not legal yet in the state, but that stopped no one. "Paul McCartney actually stopped between numbers and sniffed the air and said, 'There's something in the air — must be San Francisco!' " Springer recalls.
As the visible cloud of pot smoke took shape, so did Springer's idea to study the effects of secondhand marijuana smoke.
He started thinking: San Franciscans would never tolerate those levels of cigarette smoke in a public place anymore. So why were they OK with smoke from burning pot? Did people just assume that cannabis smoke isn't harmful the way tobacco smoke is?
"By the time I left the concert, I was resolved to at least try to make this happen," he says.
He knew it would be difficult. Marijuana is still an illegal drug under federal law, and Springer's research uses federal funds; so he has to purchase specially approved government cannabis for study. He also can't test it on humans; hence, the rats.
In the lab, Springer puts a cigarette or a joint in a plexiglass box, lights it and lets the chamber fill with smoke. Then he vents out most of the smoke to the point that it is hardly visible, to simulate being around a smoker. Then an anesthetized rat is exposed to the smoke for one minute.
So far, Springer and his colleagues have published research demonstrating that just this one minute of exposure to secondhand smoke makes it harder for the rats' arteries to expand and allow a healthy flow of blood."
With tobacco products, this effect lasts about 30 minutes, and then the arteries recover their normal function. But if it happens over and over — as when a person is smoking cigarette after cigarette, for example — the arterial walls can become permanently damaged, and that damage can cause blood clots, heart attack or stroke.
Springer demonstrated that, at least in rats, the same physiological effect occurs after inhaling secondhand smoke from marijuana. And, the arteries take 90 minutes to recover compared to the 30 minutes with cigarette smoke.
Springer's discovery about the effect on blood vessels describes just one harmful impact for nonsmokers who are exposed to marijuana. Statewide sampling surveys of cannabis products sold in marijuana dispensaries have shown that cannabis products may contain dangerous bacteria or mold, or residues from pesticides and solvents.
California law requires testing for these contaminants, and those regulations are being initiated in three phases over the course of 2018. Because much of the marijuana being sold now was harvested in 2017, consumers will have to wait until early 2019 before they can purchase products that have been fully tested according to state standards.
"People think cannabis is fine because it's 'natural,' " Springer says. "I hear this a lot. I don't know what it means." He concedes that tightly regulated marijuana, which has been fully tested, doesn't have as many chemical additives as cigarettes.
But even if the cannabis tests clean, Springer says, smoke itself is bad for the lungs, heart and blood vessels. Other researchers are exploring the possible relationship between marijuana smoke and long-term cancer risk.
Certainly, living with a smoker is worse for your health than just going to a smoky concert hall. But, Springer says, the less you inhale any kind of smoke, the better.
"People should think of this not as an anti-THC conclusion," he says, referencing the active ingredient in marijuana, "but an anti-smoke conclusion."
So is the solution simply to avoid smoke from combustion? In other words, is it safer to eat cannabis-infused products, or use "smokeless" e-cigarettes or vaping devices?
Springer still urges caution on that score because vaping, for example, can have its own health effects. Vaping devices don't produce smoke from combustion, but they do release a cloud of aerosolized chemicals. Springer is studying the health effects of those chemicals, too.
All this research takes time. Meanwhile, Springer worries that people might come to the wrong conclusion — that the absence of research means the secondhand smoke is OK.
"We in the public health community have been telling them for decades to avoid inhaling secondhand smoke from tobacco," Springer says. "We have not been telling them to avoid inhaling secondhand smoke from marijuana, and that's not because it's not bad for you — it's because we just haven't known. The experiments haven't been done."
Antismoking campaigners say we can't afford to wait until the research is complete. Recreational pot is already a reality.
Cynthia Hallett is the president of Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights, based in Berkeley, Calif. The organization was established in 1976, before there was a lot known about the health effects of secondhand smoke from tobacco.
Now that cannabis is becoming more common across the country — more than 20 cities or states have legalized it in some form — her organization is taking on the issue of secondhand marijuana smoke, too.
Hallett says some of the arguments being made in support of cannabis remind her of the arguments made on behalf of tobacco decades ago.
"I'm seeing a parallel between this argument that, 'Gee, we just don't have a lot of science and so, therefore, let's wait and see,' " Hallett says. "The tobacco companies used to say the same thing about tobacco cigarettes."
In California, smoking cannabis is prohibited anywhere tobacco smoking is prohibited — including schools, airplanes and most workplaces. Hallett is worried that the legalization of pot could be used to erode those rules.
It starts with the premise of decriminalization, she says, and then, over time, there's "a chipping away at strong policies."
Some cannabis advocates want to see pot regulated like alcohol — cities would issue permits for specialized smoking lounges, similar to wine bars.
But Hallett points out that smoke drifts, and it affects workers in a way that alcohol doesn't.
"The difference is, if I were to spill my beer on you in a bar, it wouldn't affect your long-term health," she says. "If I choose to smoke, it can affect the health of the person near me."
Pot is more like tobacco in that respect, and Hallett believes it should be regulated that way.
She says this era of California culture brings to mind a similar period in the 1970s and '80s, when Americans started demanding more regulations for secondhand smoke, and a new etiquette around smoking took form.
When it comes to marijuana, Hallett says, "it is still polite for you to say: 'Would you mind not smoking around me?' "
At Magnolia, a cannabis dispensary in Oakland, Calif., pot smokers talk about what responsibilities — if any — they should have when it comes to nearby nonsmokers.
"This is the first time that I have heard secondhand smoke in reference to cannabis," admits Lee Crow, a patient-services clerk at Magnolia. "I've tried to be courteous — just common courtesy, like with anything."
The dispensary's director of clinical services, Barbara Blaser, admits she thinks a lot about secondhand smoke from cigarettes, but not pot.
"Both of my parents died of lung cancer!" she says. "I will stop a stranger and say, 'You shouldn't be smoking. My dad died of that!' "
California's Proposition 64, approved by state voters in 2016, requires that some of the state tax revenue from the sale of marijuana to be distributed to cannabis researchers. In addition, the state's Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board is examining workplace hazards that are specific to the cannabis industry.
This story is part of NPR's reporting partnership, local member stations and Kaiser Health News.
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And let's stay here in California, which is one of more than 20 states where marijuana is legal in some form, which, of course, means people can be exposed to marijuana on the street. So what about secondhand smoke? Is that a concern? Reporter Marissa Ortega-Welch asked a California scientist who's looking at this closely.
MARISSA ORTEGA-WELCH, BYLINE: It happened a few years ago in the middle of a Paul McCartney concert in San Francisco even before recreational pot was legal in California. Matthew Springer, who directs a research lab at UC San Francisco, had a scientific epiphany.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "LIVE AND LET DIE")
PAUL MCCARTNEY: (Singing) Live and let die...
MATTHEW SPRINGER: About halfway through the concerts, people in front of me started lighting up. And for a few naive split seconds, I was thinking to myself, hey, they can't smoke in the AT&T Park. I'm sure that's not allowed. And then I realized that it was all marijuana.
ORTEGA-WELCH: A visible haze rose over the audience.
SPRINGER: Paul McCartney actually stops between numbers and sniffed the air and said, there's something in the air. It must be San Francisco.
ORTEGA-WELCH: Springer got to thinking. San Franciscans would never tolerate cigarette smoke like that anymore. Why were they OK with pot smoke?
SPRINGER: Well, I guess it's because they assumed that, unlike the tobacco smoke, that the stuff was not harmful.
ORTEGA-WELCH: Springer was already researching the effects of secondhand tobacco smoke. He was running tests on rats using cigarettes. Maybe he could do the same thing with joints.
SPRINGER: By the time I left the concert, I was resolved to at least try to make this happen.
ORTEGA-WELCH: He knew it would be hard. Since pot is still illegal under federal law, Springer had to buy specially approved government cannabis. And he can't test it on humans. So he went back to the rats. In the lab, Springer puts a cigarette or joint in a plexiglass box. Then he lights it, and the chamber fills with smoke.
SPRINGER: And then a sleeping rat - you know, they're asleep. They're anesthetized. So they're inhaling the smoke.
ORTEGA-WELCH: Secondhand tobacco smoke makes it harder for the rats' arteries to expand and allow a healthy flow of blood. This effect last about 30 minutes. But if it happens over and over, the artery walls can become permanently damaged. And that can cause blood clots, heart attack or stroke. Springer discovered that the exact same thing happens with secondhand smoke from pot. And the arteries take an hour longer to recover. Pot can also contain leftover pesticides and solvents, as well as mold, heavy metals and even salmonella.
SPRINGER: People think cannabis is fine because it's natural. I hear this a lot. I don't know what it means. OK. It doesn't have as many chemical additives.
ORTEGA-WELCH: Even if the pot's clean, you're still inhaling smoke. And smoke itself is bad for your lungs. Certainly, living with a smoker is worse for your health than just going to a smoky concert. But Springer says the less you can breathe in any kind of smoke, the better.
SPRINGER: People should think of this not as an anti-THC conclusion but an anti-smoke conclusion.
ORTEGA-WELCH: Even vaping devices release a cloud of chemicals. Springer is studying the health effects of those, too. Some health advocates advise caution. Cynthia Hallett leads Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights in Berkeley. She says people need to recognize secondhand pot smoke can be harmful just like tobacco smoke.
CYNTHIA HALLETT: We have to go back to where we were in the early '70s and '80s. And just remember, it's OK. And it is still polite for you to say, would you mind not smoking around me? It's bothering me.
ORTEGA-WELCH: As more and more states legalize pot, we'll have to figure out the etiquette for how to deal with it. For NPR News, I'm Marissa Ortega-Welch in San Francisco.
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GREENE: Stories you just heard on secondhand pot smoke and postpartum depression are part of a reporting partnership with local member stations and Kaiser Health News. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.